Amazing scandal in aftermath of Arsenal V Liverpool game!!!!
During tonight's Champions League tie between Arsenal and Liverpool, Arsene Wenger felt Dutch referee, Peter Vink, should of awarded a penalty against Dirk Kuyt after he appeared to of pulled Alexander Hleb down in the box.
It has now emerged that the Referee was actually born just five miles from fellow countryman Dirk Kuyt, the player who brought down Hleb. Coincidence or what??
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Er...well yes actually.
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He was a fair ref.
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he was a good ref, not a penalty for me, hleb overexaggerated and could have stayed on his feet if he wanted to work hard, but gave in to the luxury of a penalty, and got what he deserved, nothing,
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think uefa will come down hard on arsenal if they are insinuating a corrupt ref. i think if they are then they should be thrown out of the comp. unless they have proof of an offence
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Fuck off
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I'm an Arsenal fan. I believe Hleb dived INTO Kuyt. He has started doing that a lot lately (he tried and got booked against Villa, he tried and got a penalty against Bolton, he tried and failed against Liverpool).
The ref was excellent. Really, really outstanding.
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Are you all blind? Never saw a more certain penalty. And Hleb's penalty against Bolton was also a 100% penalty, Mr. "I am an Arsenal Fan". Who do you think you're fooling?
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For Andy Gray to have said it was a penalty it had to have been - he never gives anything to Arsenal.
I also thought Torres was disgraceful in his behaviour. I always thought he was a fair player until I see him tonight. Feining injury and trying to get other professionals booked he should have been booked himself.
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I've heard people say recently that Torres is the best in the world, and I have to agree - DIVER that is. The man is a disgrace. He could be a decent player if he stayed on his feet, but he's cheating scum who deserves to win nothing (which is what he'll get with Wimberpool anyway).
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To the genius that suggested Arsenal be thrown out of the competition for insinuating corruption, um, they didn't, it's just a hypothetical question by a blogger. It looked a penalty to me, it wasn't called, end of story.
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Great result for Liverpool. 1-1 away in Emerites sets the rhythm for next week.
Whether it was a penalty or not, even if 1 million of you gave it, it wasn't given by the person who decides it - the Ref - bad luck to you guys but good luck for us and Kuyt - super goal btw.
Arsenal had loads of possession but again having problems with converting them into goals.
Andy Gray is an Evertonian, so if he says penalty against Liverpool, he is lying.
By the way, Brendtner is a Liverpudian in disguise. Thanks to him, we were playing 13 men vs 10 (ref included). Brendtner was a bystander the whole game but made to count when he blocked a goal bound kick from Fabregas, thanks Brendtner - you gave us the advantage.p
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I think it should've been a penalty, easily. The worst bit was how close the ref was to it, he must have clearly seen it.
As for Torres diving, I only noticed it once but it's a shame. Ronaldo was at it the other night too, and it does make me think he'd be a lot better if he'd just fight for the ball instead. It's funny because if these guys DID fight for the ball and stay on their feet more, they'd probably score a lot more goals and/or set more up.
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Bollocks, Rooney stayed on his feet and a penalty wasnt given, and what i got from liverpool supporters was - well if he didnt go down how can it be a foul.
Ohh and good on Torres he tries so hard to get fellow professionals booked, what a professional he is
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Dear me. You really should learn your English. You see, the referee shouldn't "of awarded" a penalty, he should HAVE awarded a penalty because Dirk Kuyt didn't appear "to of pulled" Hleb. He appeared to HAVE pulled Hleb. The word is HAVE. HAVE HAVE HAVE HAVE HAVE!!! Not OF!!! HAVE!!! Got it? I bloody hope so. Oh, yes, it should've been a penalty and yes, the referee's home town is a coincidence.
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i cant believe i just wasted my time reading this
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They say that "these things happen in football" and they do. The decisions, right or wrong even themselves out over the course of the season. Look at that incident when Liverpool played Chelsea and the ref gave a penalty to Chelsea for taking a Liverpool player out. Bottom line is Benitez is the master tatician in Europe and showed this again last night.
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ur all knobs
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Torres a diver?
I saw one incident when he went down, when Flamini knocked his knee. Everytime he went down, he was clearly touched. And please Arsenal fans, with the amount of repect I have for yous lot, look at your own team before slating ours. Adebayor went down like a easily yesterday, looking at the ref everytime, and eboue..... enough said.
Great result for Liverpool, all be it a very lucky result.
Anfield will be bouncin
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Typical southern whining tw*ts!!! I've lost count how many times your muppets have taken a dive, Hleb, Pires, EBOUE!!! Henry, Fabregas, Toure, Gallas, Rosicky.
Shall I continue?
Fuckin muppets!!!
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Never a penalty!!!! Liverpool will beat them EASY in Anfield!! Torres isn't a diver and IS the best striker in the world at the moment!! Walcot??? the most OVERRATED player in history!! typical English hype!!
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It wasn't a penalty. It was close, there was the potential for the ref to get it wrong and award it - but it wasn't a penalty.
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For Andy Gray to have said it was a penalty it had to have been - he never gives anything to Arsenal.
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To say Andy Gray never gives anything to Arseal is ridiculous. He is the bitterest bluenose kopite hating man to ever walk this earth. He was always going to say it was a penalty. You hear him wince on Sky every time Liverpool score a goal ffs.
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Coincidence, that's right.
I think maybe the ref got that one wrong, but if Hleb hadn't thrown himself to the ground it might've helped his cause. Apart from that the referee was exemplary
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What a shame on you arsenal fans! Before the game you were hyped out, saying 'we will win 3-0' bollocks and now that you got only a draw, you try to make excuses. Muppets
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As a Liverpool supporter I'll have to say, it was indeed a clear penalty and as far as I know, the only mistake made by the referee. who had an excellent game! However I didn't see Torres dive at any point, he's kicked, pushed and even hit during games and he will, obviously, get frustrated by this! At least he doesn't kick or hit back...
I thought Arsenal were the better team on the night and I think they stand a good chance at Anfield next week... Unfortunately!
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Liverpool fan: Well played Arsenal but really despite all there intricate passing how many save did Reina have to make? After Liverpool weathered the storm Arsenal looked extremely jaded and ran out of ideas, Liverpool got stronger towards the end. Players like Gerrard and Mascherano were conserving their energy!! My honest opinion is Arsenal have to watch Liverpool on the break at Anfield otherwise it's curtains thats how we play in Europe :-)
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Arsenal were a tad unlucky not to have won this game, although I thought Hleb went down too easily and obviously did not fool the ref. Return leg should be very exciting, with Liverpool victorious on the night.
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bloody southern fairy's! Looking for excuses again because you were held at home, see you at Anfield! Bring on Fenerbache!
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Another Amazing Scandal!!
Nicklas Bendtner was actually born only 2 miles from Kuyts birthplace!!!! C'mon guys..
Maybe it was a penalty, mayby not but once the ref has decided then thats really it..
I believe Hleb could have stayed on his feet but on the other hand no one would complain had the ref given a penalty.. LFC Fan..
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I watch Torres nearly every week and he gets battered and bruised, but always carries on putting his body on the line, making challenges, chasing down defenders, tirelessly running. He did go down fairly easily under Flamini’s challenge but so did Hleb for the penalty attempt. Well done all the fans pointing out if there is one team that can’t complain about diving it’s Arsenal. And I think to claim Torres is a diver is absolutely ludicrous and pathetically hypocritical.
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wasn't a penalty in a million years, people only said it was a penalty because of that bald scottish commentator (Andy Gray if you couldn't work it out) Kuyt didnt pull Helb back and the amount of contact (barely any) wouldn't have stopped Helb from shooting let alone making him fall over.
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Ha ha ha ha ha!!! Its so funny to watch bad losers moan about what might have been. The ref was excellent, liverpool where excellent, Arsenal where excellent and as a Liverpool fan if the gooners beat us in Anfield i'll be with them all the way, broke my heart to see them lose against Barca two years ago. Maybe some of the more disgruntled of you should think of following Chelsea or ManU, they are well versed in moaning after the fact! Torres feigning injury, get to specsavers mate (likewise about the penalty). Best advertisement for British football all season from two of the most honourable clubs in England.
Sam
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Facts:-
Was it a Penalty - Yes,
Did the Ref give it - No,
Do players dive - Yes, all teams variable degrees, its down to quality officiating or video assistance (if introduced) to stamp all that crap out!
As for This CL League tie, If Liverpool don't play grade 11 you will get done @ Anfield!
As for the related geography of both perpetrator & Judge, nothing but media spin and scandal!!!
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Its a shame to think fans act in the manner they do today! I'm ashamed of the dis-respect and name calling that goes on .....
The game is over, both teams have moved on, but yet again, silly playground bullying by fans who want to push there opinion onto others! What you don't realise, is most fans have stopped reading this rubbish cause they know it full of loudmouth yobs ...
To all those writing comment-sence comments, hats off to you, lets debate and please do be passionate about your team, but lets also show some respect and some honesty.
My view ... it could have gone either way, but if you have a different view, thats cool, it doesn't make either of us scum!!!
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all in all it was a good game. Arsenall shold have done more, and if you want to win this competition you ought to be relying on a little more than a decision going your way in the box from the ref. Frankly, Arsenal should have bagged at least one more goal. they were unlucky not to. but Liverpool were good enough to earn theirs, regardless of what Wenger might whinge and moan about them not creating as many chances. Shots on and off target seemed to suggest differently. Hleb goes down too easily for the peno to be given. Ref is left in two minds. That incident aside he had a great game, and it would have been nice to see both managers congratulating him for that. But no, they can't give credit where it's due. How do they expect to get a more understanding judge next time if they are going to get criticised for their one alleged mistake, and not the hundred other decisions that he got spot on. He let the game flow, avoided unnecessary cautions, and has contributed to an entertaining game of football - congratulations to the ref for that.
I'm bored of footballers and managers whinging. Kuyt's response seemed more honest to me. I'd prefer that every weekend.
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erm...if that was a penalty, arsenal fans and their manager are easily forgetting the blatant penalty we should have been given, when torres was yanked down by his shirt? but no no, arsene only wants to see what he wants to see. for all their hard work, arsenal didnt produce, whats new? its their fault they left with a 1-1 draw, NOT the refs, who was fair in every damn sence.
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If UEFA want to avoid criticism of having a Referee from an area where a player comes from, then may I suggest a Referee from London in the next leg ;-)
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Yeah, a ref from London will be fine if he's a Tottenham fan ;)
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He was a great ref and he was correct not to award a penalty. Hleb's legs had gone from underneath him before Kuyt touched him so he was looking for a penalty. He was in a good position, why didnt he have a shot? Also, when was the last time you saw a game flow like that? Excellent refereeing...
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The ref had a good game and got everything right, and actually it was a coincidence do you really think uefa set the match up for Liverpool?
get a life mate...
In Rafa We Trust
C'mon you reds
Y.N.W.A
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...Opinions Opinions, your short term memory has lost my angle...Facts!
We could argue the toss all day stating 'he did, he didn't...' but it gets boring because:-
A. to be giving your opinion is testament of being subjective, not objective, and I haven't enough time to be debating on cyberspace without the proper analysis tools i.e video footage, interviews etc.
B. you cannot be a baller (or a good one) as when your as gifted as Hleb in ball dribbling at speed, all it takes is minimal contact to knock you out of stride let alone when a STRIKER TURNED DEFENDER wraps his arms around you and calls it a tackle, NEWSFLASH, by the letter of the law that is a foul my friend , no matter how exaggerated Hleb was in falling!
btw what penalty claim on Torres..HaHa!
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Arsenal have their claims about how Hleb was brought down, similarly, Liverpool also has valid claims about Torres being brought down. We shouldn't do some after-game whining (on both sides) as the result is already set. There's nothing whining could have done to change it. In my opinion, Liverpool and Arsenal played in the true spirit of the sport, and we should probably leave the whining to the Mancs and Chelskis.
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The ref was great. No cards, and he let the game flow. As for the "penalty", I've seen them given for that, but more often I've seen them not given. Arsenal have only themselves to blame - they had a lot more of the ball but did nothing with it. And liverpool always looked dangerous on the break.
after getting rid of the constant whinging from Moaninho and his "ghost goal" from the 2005 semi (even though the ref himself had stated that if the goal had not stood, he'd have given a penalty and sent Cech off)
Now it seems Wenger will forever go on about this penalty. Moaninho, Wenger and Taggart are the sorest losers I've ever come accross, and quite frankly, no-body's listening anymore.
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I am a liverpool fan and the decision could have gone either way for me really. I thought his performance was the best I have seen in Europe for ages though!!
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Arsenal fans calling Torres a diver...Yep, the same team that has the f**king embarrassment that is Eboue! The same team who last time they scored in a champions league final was because their player dived for the freekick.
Hilarious, truly hilarious
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...Granted, I have to say that I do agree with Eboue being dubbed a 'diver'!
I'm a true Gooner and baller myself, and I have to say sometimes hes embarrasing!!!
At least when Torres, Adebayor or Hleb try it on, its after great footwork or run, Eboue has just been poor all round, brought nothing to the table!
However, I'm not saying diving is condonable!
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I´m a liverpool fan through and through. That sirs was a penalty of epic proportions, even if Hleb went down as if he´d been shot, and he did, it was still an obvious penalty that should have been given.
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Anyone remember Viera's dive when Hamman 'attempted' to challenge him?
Haha
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What a game, I am scouse and will be singing my tits out on tues at anfield.
Penalty....thought he went leaning in looking for it (as he does!)when he could have stayed on his feet and maybe tried to score, would have served his club better doing so.
However, if that was the other end there is now doubt any lfc player would have done the same, and i'd be screaming for a pen.
More often then not, there given, so yea for me a pen, unlucky for the gunners.
Alot of ordinary performances from individuals in the Arsenal team, playing the ball infront of/accross our defense, not penetrating as much as u wud have liked.
However, as usual, Arsenal underachieve in Europe, at the moment great team, lets be honest. In the last 2/3 years they have lost Bergkamp, Pires, Vieira, Ljungberg, Campbell, Cashley, Henry, not many teams could recover from that.
Manager is a good guy essentially with a way for spotting talent, and getting them to play really excellent football the majority of the time...respect.
But you gooners have to realise that we are decent in europe, for whatever reason, and i thinked ur even more p'd off cos the game went exactly as you knew it probably would, bums to the wall, away goal, happy kop.
Think you are shaky at the back too tbh, missing Sagna, poor against Bolton, and correct me if i'm wrong, we hardly attacked, 1 shot on target, 1 goal, gives me confidence big time, under pressure is a real test fr ur defense.
We have good experience in europe too, not just from years ago, but in the recent past too, we are the most experienced team left in the comp, re europe, so this type of performance is necessary to continue the run.
It will be difficult for you now, you haven't experienced the kop on euro nights, it is different, and difficult, you could go through but it will have to be your best performance of the last 2/3 years.
These games are wicked, the cream of europe, with the world watching,
I genuinely fancy us to go through, but best of luck.
Baz
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Baz,
I commend you on your evaluation of the night @ The Emirates, and appreciate your projection on the next leg, However I do feel that going to Anfield will be daunting but didn't we just cruise pass the reigning champions @ the San Siro in front of 75,000!
I think you slightly over estimate your chances if your basing your win off the fact we will get stage freight while your exercising your right to sing your voice horse!
If we don't get gun shy and eliminate the lateral football and checking runs as you quite rightly pointed out, it should be a fantastic game and a great advert for the premier league!
COME ON THE GUNNERS!!!!!!
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Cor Blimey, Stroike a loit !
Blow me darn Mary Poppins !
Don't you bleedin cockneys sqeak ?
The score is 1 - 1 let your team do the talking at the 2nd leg. Between you lot and the other cockneys supporting Man U and Chelski you'd think you Southerners owned the country as well as the media, newspapers and government - its called football and the ref made "a decision", sorry nobody told the ref he had to ensure Cockney success at this stage !
Signed Anonymous Mag
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I saw the game over the net with Chinese commentary, so I wasn't "swayed" by Andy Grays comments.
To me, it looked nothing like a penalty. In fact, Kuyt hardly touched him. And further more, from the challenge by Kuyt, the ball came off the Arsenal man and so it should have been a goal kick - not a corner! Arsenal were lucky to be given a corner!
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Sac_7,
ty for the reply.
Milan are aging, table doesn't lie, just like it doesn't lie in our case, but a great night in milan and big performance for the gooners, but we shit on the italien league leaders, and manure did the same with 2nd place italian team
but i'm basing our safe passage to the semis on more, namely our form recenlty at home, our tactician of a manager (...no one can touch him in europe tbf), your defensive displays of the last 7 weeks, and our experience as i eluded to earlier, but lets hope it's a good advert for the P league as you say.
We both know it could go either way if the truth be known, but i thought before the game if we got an away goal we'd have a real strong chance of going through, and i still think that!
cheers fella